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Shanks!  by rawrdoodles Shanks!  by rawrdoodles
"Red-Haired" Shanks saving a young Monkey D. Luffy from the local sea monster.
From One Piece manga, first book.
Here's the reference image I used:

scottthong.files.wordpress.com…
(It's the bottom picture on the page)


One Piece is sooo good! I mean, I've really only started it, but so far it's great!
This was a really interesting scene to draw. Drawing scenes from comic books, manga, or graphic novels, is so interesting to me. I like studying how they draw so much movement into one small picture, and how they get certain points across.
The sea monster was particularly fun to draw, and I would have to say that Shanks was probably the hardest. Even now, his hair to head proportions don't seem quite right. I can't quite decide if his head (by head I mean chin/neck/ear and what little is visible of his face) should be bigger, or his hair smaller, to make it match his body. Any suggestions?

Have any questions, comments, opinions, tips, or advice?
I would love to hear them all! Just let me know, via comment, critique, note, or whatever!
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Vision: Since I'm a little unfamiliar with One Piece (outside of a few scenes I've seen), I'm unable to tell if this is a scene where; Shanks is saving Luffy from this sea monster, and came just in the nick-of-time. Inversely, I can't tell if perhaps instead it's a scene where Shanks was already there, and is trying to save Luffy this way. By no means is this a fault, but I find it amazing that given the information in the picture, I'm more concerned about what happens next, rather than that it is merely a picture. Excellent job here.

Originality: I really admire the setup for this scene that you did, whether it be a direct interpretation/copy from the source material, or your own tweaking/imaging of a specific scene (if that makes sense). Either way, I can still greatly appreciate the work you've put in here to make it your own.

Technique: I'm a big fan of drastically varying line sizes (e.g. from the side of the monster's head, to his chin), I feel adds an extra layer of "care" that goes into making a piece. On this same note, I also +1 to the line-shading on the monster too, but wish it perhaps extended into more parts of the scene. On the topic of Shank's proportions, at that angle I feel his face is at the right angle (perhaps not the ear), but I think the problem is that the hair seems a bit "flat." It doesn't appear to be at the same angle as the rest of the head is. Perhaps more curvature near the ear, to "round" it out more?

Impact: This section is borrowing a lot of aspects from the other areas, but I'm really a big fan of this one, even if it doesn't have that "omg amazing" anime quality that some fan art has. Not to say that it's bad either; it's actually the opposite. The work you created here doesn't need all that "pizzazz" to show what you wanted to show, you accomplished it with what was needed, and nothing else. People aren't completely in the dark either, we know what's not apparent in the picture (color, fine details, setting, etc), and out brain will fill that in on it's own. (Although I secretly want a colored one :D)


Excellent job Rawr, I look forward to seeing more of your work in the future!
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MikesScribbles Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
make a photocopy of the work , real light, like maybe 25 % and get a red or blue erasable pencil or pen and rework the hair line a few times until you get it closer to what you want.

then go back and try it again. 
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rawrdoodles Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Ooh, I've never thought of doing that before! Thanks so much for the suggestion!

That would be really great for practicing; having that bit of a reference and being able
to go over it and redo it without ruining the original, or redrawing the whole scene. :)

I will definitely try that with this picture, and will keep it in mind for other pieces as well!

Sorry it's taken me so long to respond, but thank you so much for your input!
It will certainly come in handy!  :D
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MikesScribbles Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
It is one of the tricks I have learned from digital and brought back to my traditional art [ not so easy with bigger work, but great for single sheet things ]
no worries on the timeliness, this is an enjoyment, not a competition.
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rawrdoodles Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Those are both great things to remember; thanks!  :D
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Scared2dream Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2016   General Artist
Absolutely stunning!  The cross-hatching, the splash effects, the details, it's all so outstanding!
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rawrdoodles Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank you!  :D
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Scared2dream Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2016   General Artist
You're welcome!
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QBeagle Featured By Owner Edited Feb 7, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I guess i should confess to ignorance of the manga you mentioned.  I just like this sort of black and white line art and stopped in for a look.  I'm also not sure if you were trying to faithfully reproduce a scene from the comic, or re-envision it in your own style.  I'm going to assume you're doing more creation than copying based on your question.

You asked about the guy's head and I think you're right the proportions are a little skewed.  It looks like we can see his chin and nose, the line they make is parallel to the back of his head and and have his head leaning forward.  The top of his head doesn't line up with the head posture suggested.  His hair seems to extend pretty far beyond where his forehead should end.  The way the hair is hanging it feels like it's coming form his scalp, how it's curving more up and down than projecting out from his head.  

Another point would be the proportions of his head to other body parts.  His forearm vs the length of the top of his head, from knuckle to elbow looks about the same length as his head.  Also the thickness of his chest seems like a bit less than the thickness of his head.

This sort of stuff could be explained by the style you're using.  I don't get the impression that you were making exaggerated over-sized heads though.  Everything feels pretty grounded in real anatomy.


A couple other points I want to make about your drawing.  You mentioned how the manga comics capture movement, and I'm not sure you matched that.  I think it comes to lines of action in your drawing.  Shanks and Monkey seem to be standing straight up and down, it gives them this feeling of calmness in the face of the sea monster.  To me it feels more like a comforting hug (this sort of thing), rather than giving a sense of movement or urgency from a rescue.

The same for the serpent the way his body curves does have a lot of movement to it, but it's like he's turning away from them rather than pursuing.  The whole seen has this aftermath feel to it.  The rescue is over the monster is thwarted and is now retreating to it's lair.


And lastly the composition possible could use some work.  Basically its the contrast between large white and black areas that will draw the eye, granted your great hatching makes some grays, but I think the blacks and whites win out here.  The sea monster's face feels like the spot where my eye wants to go.  The black and white stripes seem to form lines that nudge me there, and it's largely white which stands out from all the black in the hatching on the water and the monster's body.  

Shanks' hair has a similar dark feel as the water with how it's hatched.  The eye grabbing contrast there is monkey's black hair against shanks' mostly white shirt.  There's a lot of light and dark going on in that quarter of picture which makes me mostly look toward his shoulder.  

It's kind of like the contrasts are building two focal points, rather than a single focus which details that lead you to the other.  

I'm probably talking way out of my depth by this point since I rarely attempt to do full scenes like this that would require a focal point and have just read about them.  So I'll stop now.


I do want to say that despite my critiques above this picture really grabbed my imagination.  The expression of the monster, that sidelong look of anger at the two guys, coupled with his angular details really gives him a lot of character.  You also did a wonderful job depicting choppy surging, churning waters; clearly something serious was going on to stir them up.  The guys standing seemingly so calmly is such a contrast that it almost forces my imagination to start thinking up stories to explain the scene.  I spent a while imagining quite a few different stories that could explain what is going on.  Maybe the guys lost and are resigned to their fate, maybe some deal was struck between the three, maybe Shanks has some magic that is keeping them safe.....  on and on.  I was here long enough to really ponder and dive into your work.  Hopefully that says that it has more of a lasting effect, it's not something ephemeral that the viewer skims over and barely notices.  It certainly got me to go on about it (at some length, sorry about the verbosity).

I found your picture on :iconprojectcomment:
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rawrdoodles Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks so much for all your input! It means so much! And don't even worry about the length or verbosity; comments like yours are my favorite! :D
Also, I'm so sorry for how long it's taken me to reply!  Oh Teh Noes 

This is actually a scene I was copying pretty directly from the manga.
If you'd like to see the original, here's a link!   animereporter.files.wordpress.…

I definitely agree with what you're saying about the proportions. Yeah, One Piece is pretty realistic in it's anatomy (for most characters, anyway). I can see now his hair seems to stick too far out, and it looks like his face is too small as well (in comparing to the original). Also, in the original it seems like his arm is more at an angle so it gives the effect of a good part of his forearm being covered by his sleeve, whereas in this one most of his forearm is in view and as you said, the same length of the top of his head.  Eheheh, whoops.  :)

This scene is sort of in the aftermath, the sea monster was just making a swipe at Luffy when Shanks showed up, and the monster is almost pulling back to survey the scene (before Shanks scares it off). All the same, I really see what you mean here, too. 
They certainly give off more of an air of sitting back to watch TV, than almost being eaten by a sea monster (or almost snatching supper, in the monsters case). :)  That's something I hadn't noticed before, so I'm really glad you pointed it out! 
I'm definitely going to have to start practicing line of action more. :D

Hmm, I haven't thought a lot about focal points before. I tend to get really absorbed with whatever part of the picture I'm working on in the moment and forget about the overall picture.   :whoops: 
I'll have to look into that more. I've seen a lot of art where focal point adds so much to a picture, but I guess I haven't ever thought through how that gets laid out. If you know of any good tutorials or good reads about focal point, I'd love to take a look at them!

Thanks so much for all the input and compliments! :D  You've given me so much think about now all I want to do is redraw this, both to correct things and just because this is one of my favorite scenes! I've even been considering painting this scene (in color!) as of late.
Thank you for all the time you spent to think through your comment and go over all the details in this picture. You made a lot of suggestions not just for improving this picture, but also things that I know can improve my other art as well, and I really appreciate that.
Again, sorry I was so delayed in responding.  :/
Thank you!  :D
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QBeagle Featured By Owner Feb 29, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Don't worry about the delay, I'm just glad my commentary was useful to you.

I had gotten a few books from the library that talked about focal points, I'll have to see if I can dig up the titles.  If I find them I'll certainly pass them along.

If you do draw this one again I'd love to see it.  I'll have to get you on the watch list just to make sure....
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rawrdoodles Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Ok, sounds good. No rush or anything, I was just curious! :) I'll have to check out my library and see what they've got on focal points as well.  :D
Awh, thank you!
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kyrawriter Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2016
very nice
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rawrdoodles Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank you! :)
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kyrawriter Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2016
welcome
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